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Come on in and say hello via a 'comment'. We've cruised our Hanse 46' sailboat from UK to Egypt to the Caribbean mainly two handed from 2004 to 2008 - and enjoyed every minute. We are back temporarily in the UK - but sunshine beckons us again for next summer.

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Antenna Quandry

Posted at 2:01 PM, Friday, February 2, 2007

You'll only be interested in this entry if you're facing a similar situation.
 
We've elected to go with a SSB HF/MF radio for longer range comms.  Despite high installation costs, the end cost of email or vocal comms is minimal plus it allows us to dial into local marine networks.  It's allowed us to sell the Thuraya satphone (only good for Med anyway) and help towards the investment.
 
We checked out various radios - and plunked for a new ICOM. 
ICOM two similar radios - one which is not CE marked, and another that is. 
 
Despite the regs that state you should not install any non CE marked radio on a Brit registered vessel - we chose that ICOM as it was several hundreds cheaper - yet appears to have same functions.
 
Now we are faced with installation once we've carted it all out from the UK in our baggage.
 
And its heavy.
 
Kemers Turkish Technicians say they can wire in radio etc - so all I need do is find the space on the nav station for them to do that bit - plus wire in ATU to lazarette, and bolt on ground plate when the boat is slipped.
 
The last issues we've addressed are the antenna.  The ICOM's have DSC so require a longer (4-8 metre) antenna for radio chatter, plus a shorter (2-3 metre) dedicated antenna for the DSC. 
 
Tried hard to avoid adding these two to our transom as I think they are ugly, and in that postion would be in the way when stern berthing. 
 
We've enough junk hanging off the pushpit rails as it is.
 
Looked real hard at adding insulators to backstay and create antenna therein.  The Hanse 461 backstay is a single wire down from mast to around 4 metres off the deck, where its attached to a metal pulley.  Another wire runs from the port transom up through the pully and down to the hydraulic tensioner on the starboard transom - and initially I hoped to use both sides of that wire, using 4 insulators, to create one long and one short antenna required.
 
Did have some reservations on risking the integrety of the backstay - but initially thought the visuals overcame the safety risks.
 
Seems not this is not possible - as the two antenna can't be so close to one another.  So looked again at one long backstay antenna plus one short whip on transom for DSC.  This was possible, but after lotsa  research now have got back full circle (mainly due to reported  effectiveness and relative costs) to be back with getting the two transom mounted whips!!
 
Only took three weeks.
 
If anoyne else wishes for more detail as to why we got there - just ask. 
If you want to know pros and cons of whips v backstay both circa £400 - just ask.    
If you want to know about whiz bang new US antennas that simply clip onto backstay circa US$400 just ask.
If you want to know why we did not go for an independently hoisted wire for 3p plus one insultator - just ask.
 
Or if you can't be aaaarst, go get two whips.
 
Signed off, head of Swagman R&D, and mind hurting antenna bore
JOHN 
 
 

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Info on SSB installation

Posted by Anonymous at 3:37 PM, Saturday, February 3, 2007

Swagman - I'd be interested in your SSB installation experiences, especially what you have learned about ground plates and arials. Can you post your experiences on CruisersForums (from where I followed the link this this site)

DSC antenna

Posted by scorch at 12:14 PM, Saturday, February 10, 2007

I have just fitted the same radio. I contacted ICOM UK. and they suggested using an active antenna for the dsc. These are available from NASA . They look the same as their Navtex antennae.I thought this was a neater solution.

As yet it is all to no avail as I cannot get the radio to talk to the Garmin GPS.One solution is to type the lat &long into the radio manually very quickly as scorch sinks.

Best wishes Chris.

Hi Chris

Posted by Anonymous at 9:03 AM, Sunday, February 11, 2007

Good to hear from you guys and trust all is well. Where are you now, is Scorch back in Tunisia or elsewhere?

Chris, the suggestion on using the short NASA antenna for DSC is great - but too late.

We've already ordered a regular 1 M whip and it arrives Wednesday. Bugger.

Good luck with your own installation - I'll let you know once ours is done.

Cheers
JOHN

Edited by swagman on Feb. 22, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Hanse

Posted by Mags at 5:01 PM, Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Hi John & Sue
Just to let you know we are watching your website and enjoy your blog - after many months looking at available boats we are really interested in Hanse. We are gaining sailing skills as soon as we can and plan to order our boat next year. How is it for short handed sailing?
Best wishes looking forward to reading about your progress
Mags x

Hi Mags,

Posted by swagman at 3:02 PM, Friday, March 16, 2007

If you aim to go shorthanded you'll like the Hanse's as all are designed with that in mind. Self tacking headsails and no traveller makes tacking so easy you won't believe it until its done. Mind you, the bigger they are the tougher it gets to park them up in strong breezes - but you'd have simialr issues with any boat.
Anyway - good luck with whatever you eventually get and maybe one day we'll cross paths on the oceans!
Cheers
JOHN


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