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Come on in and say hello via a 'comment'. We've cruised our Hanse 46' sailboat from UK to Egypt to the Caribbean mainly two handed from 2004 to 2008 - and enjoyed every minute. We are back temporarily in the UK - but sunshine beckons us again for next summer.

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What is a 'Hanse'?

Posted at 8:37 AM, Sunday, February 25, 2007

We often get asked what kind of yacht we have - so feeling bored this morning as Sues gone off skiing with pals - my leg hurts 'cos I couldn't go - so with a week to while away, thought I'd update you all on who and what are 'Hanse Yachts'.
 
Hanse Yachts are a German firm, started not so long ago by the racing sailor Michael Schmidt using reunification grants inh his homeland.  His plant is located at Grifenwald, on the coastal border of Germany and Poland.  Intially he purchased 'conventional' shaped established moulds and built to a good price using lower cost labour but retaining quality western parts.  His team gained a reputation of a higher build standard than many other production yachts available at that time.  And so the Hanse Yachts success began.
 
Before long, Michale was able to commission the design team of Judel and Vrolijk - world famous for their high priced custom race boats - to develop a truly unique 'Hanse' set of designs.  Michaels first 30+ footer from J&V got under construction around 1995.
 
In the decade or so since, he's expanded the range so it now covers 30 to 60 footers, solds so many Hanse is now the third largest (by volume) yacht builder in Europe - and each is unique yet enshrining his orginal base principals of:-
 
1.  They must be able to sail well.  All are fast yet comfortable in a seaway.
2.  They must be set up for short handed sailing.  Most have self tacking headsails, and cockpits with all lines to hand.
3.  They must impress the design concious.  They believe good design goes further than hull, deck and rig so each has exceptionally modern interiors.  Hanse led the way with tiles floors, high gloss laquered wood trim, leather seating, halogen globes and other stylish innovations below, which many other EU production companies now copy.
4.  The owners must have an opportunity to customize interior layout so as to configure the cabins below to their own needs.  This has provided custom specification construction at regular production prices.
5.  They must be strong.  The 461 for example is epoxy built with a steel keel frame, making it exceptionally stiff and quiet undeway.Each are construction rated by Garminisher Lloyds and CE coded.
 
Please see some shots below decks on a 470 here to show you the style available - and in my view this blond colour teak is actually not as good as the deeper red mohogony also available (and which we have) - http://www.hanseyachts.co.uk/showsection.asp?sectionid=31&boatid=15
 
I'm assuming it's because of all this good stuff, that the Hanse 461 won the 2005 European Yachting Award for Innovation.  Thats an  an award voted on from all the EU sailing journos (and assuming bribery did not rule that time) it's got to be worth something!
 
We placed our order in September 2004, and our 461 was # 7 off the production line around December.  Far enough down the line for them to have sorted build issues, but not so far that they might have begun to skimp to save production costs.
 
We got her January 2005 - the first in the UK. 
 
I believe they have gone on to build more than 40 x 461's, and in 2007 'upgraded' the design to now call it a 470 . 
 
It's the same hull, keel, rig - but with a sleeker deck moulding and some changes to interiors.  Views vary - but secretly (we only shared this with you 17,000 bloggers in a special German code) ve zink ze  461 ist der bitter boot. 
 
 
 
 
As you can see above, gliding down the Turkish coast last summer,  she has a huge rig relative to her length.  Its 25 metres, around 80 foot tall, and fractional.  A huge fully battenend mainwith Harken ball slides plus powered winches, makes sail handling or reefing a doddle.  We've specced her with the cruising chute being flown above, plus a Code 0 for tight reaching in ligher airs, plus taking delivery of a 120% genoa this year to give her more grunt when the winds light but the seas get up.
 
Please do not think that she's not fast now.  It is just we like going faster.......... 
 
She's proved capable of romping away on most points of sail even without the genoa from much larger cruisers - Oysters, Dicoverys, Farrs and she leaves heavier yachts like Halberg Rassys and Moodys for dead.  
 
Lots of storage space down below. 'Cupboardland' really.  Even after 3 years we still forget where some stuff is hidden away. Thank goodness none of what's missing is perishable. Coupled with lots of underbunk and underfloor space, a 461 / 470 can carry a huge amount especially if its only two of you sailing her. 
 
Two showers and heads (invaluable says Sue); three sleeping cabins all with doubles; a saloon to die for; and a huge cockpit which has catered for 20 on a hot summer party night makes most other cruisers  envious.
 
The smooth deck and cockpit layout lead to an open transom and fold away swimming platform.  The equipment layout whilst easy to use, is clearly not set up for more than say 3 people to work the rig.  It is the one compromise with the boat and I'm not complaining at all - but racing her efficiently with a big crew would be a no-no. 
 
But with powered winches, windlass, retractibly bowthruster and lots of nice kit, she's on the other hand, a pussy for Sue and I to handle in all situations so far. 
 
And that's what we spend most time doing - two handed sailing - with the occassional set of friends or family as guests.
 
If anyone wishes to see more of the spec - its easier to send you to www.hanseyachts.co.uk than duplicate any more detail into this post.
 
And if anyone has any further questions of the kit we've specifically added to help us go cruising, please don't be shy to ask.  We've built a boat before and owned several others of all shapes and sizes, plus spent 20 years under hot Aussie sun - so cruising innovations like our bimini design, radar post, davits, BBQ access, dinghy etc has all been proved in practice and it all fits into the classy good looks we like to maintain on the boat. 
 
So thats them.  Hope this helps anyone thinking of a new boat.
 
Cheers
 
John and Sue
 
 
 

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Posted by Anonymous at 10:25 PM, Thursday, March 1, 2007

Well done John. I hope we'llbe doing the same comment on the H 430 after sailing in Med this year.
Cheers.
Alain from Alain & Anne

All true

Posted by Shackle Pin at 10:51 AM, Friday, March 2, 2007

Have had my Hanse 371 for three years now and she never ceases to impress me. Hanse have really got the balance right between speed, comfort, safety and ease of handling. And, in the UK at least, their after-care service is awesome.


Hi Alan,

Posted by swagman at 1:11 PM, Friday, March 2, 2007

When are you coming ot the Med and where? We've set a wobbly sort of ocurse from Turkey back to Canaries - so maybe a chance ot share a beer?
JOHN

Med cruise

Posted by Anonymous at 1:58 PM, Friday, March 2, 2007

Hi John,

The 430 is due to be delivered at the beginning of May! Guess that would mean sailing from June to October at least with a couple of stop for family reason.
We would like to sail the boat and test it before winter time when will complete the preparation for our great trip!
We are planning to leave France the 1st of July 2008 for a first leg to Buenos Aires through Spain Canaria, Capo Verde, Brasil Uruguay and Rio de la Plata sometime in December!
The delivery place of the Boat is Port Camargue. The first sailtests will see us rounding the islands (Balearic, Sardinia, Corsica...) But we keep an open mind to any suggestion which could help us to share Hanse owner's experience.

Our Med Summer Trip

Posted by at 2:30 PM, Friday, March 2, 2007

Experience? Thought it was alcohol we were going to share?

More seriously, we'll also be going by Sicily around end July and in Balearics part of August. Then onward to Lagos and Canaries September / October. You never know, the routes may corss and if so - give us a shout.
Our mmsi and other contact details are on www.yachtswagman.com

Cheers
JOHN

Edited by swagman on Mar. 2, 2007 at 2:31 PM

your boat

Posted by Sea Venture at 4:08 AM, Sunday, March 4, 2007

Lovely boat! I found the link to your blog on cruiserlog, so thought I'd check in as I've enjoyed your posts there. I went back and read some of your travels on the Eastern Med Rally. Thanks for putting them out for those of us only yet dreaming of a Med. Cruise.

Blessings,
Normandie

Great log

Posted by amzerzo at 1:49 AM, Saturday, March 10, 2007

Hi John and Sue
I have spent the last couple of evenings going through your entire log. It was great reading. My husband John and I are about to become permanent yachties, starting in the Med around October this year. eventually heading to NZ/Australia. Hope our paths cross at some stage.
Angela

Hello Angela and Normandie

Posted by at 6:29 AM, Monday, March 12, 2007

Well thanks for saying hello and a special thanks for the compliments.

We find its nice to have the blog facility to keep family and pals up to date with ones ramblings - but a great bonus if the stuff we put up is useful to others also.

I've been watching the blog counter go up rather quickly of late so good to hear from some of those responsible - and hope you continue to visit and say hello again.

Good luck with your own plans and indeed, if you ever see us in the same bay - please pop over for a cleansing ale.......we always keep them cold.

JOHN

Edited by swagman on Mar. 13, 2007 at 12:19 PM


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